The So Called Biblical "Proofs" Disproven
Missionaries frequently use certain distortions from Scriptures to lure uneducated Jews. Here are examples.
*Isaiah 7:14 which says a 'virgin' will give birth to a son and his name shall be Emanuel'. However the actual Hebrew word used is ALMA - young woman,not BETULA-virgin.
Young Woman - not necessarily a virgin or not - Young Woman period. To indicate clearly the oddity of a virgin giving birth it should have clearly said BETULA - VIRGIN, which it DID NOT.
And when looking there the prophecy speaks of a sign that the plotting by 2 kings against the Kingdom of Judea of King Ahaz will fail - NOT the coming of a 'messiah'. REPEAT-this is NOT even talking about a Messiah. The Jewish Middle Ages Rabbi Eben Ezrah says Jesus who was born many centuries later long after King Ahaz was DEAD can not be a proof to King Ahaz, to whom Isaiah was talking. And the Mahari Kara says the significance
of this sign is isaiah was actually speaking of HIS then pregnant wife, the sign being that a)It will be a BOY and b)he will be born BEFORE isaiah gets home and will be called by his mother, Emanuel.
*Proverbs 30:4 "Who has gone up to heaven and comne down/ Who has gathered up the wind in the hollow of his hands? Who has wrapped up the waters in his cloak? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is his name, and the name of his Son. "
This they may point to as in showing G-d has a "son".
However further contemplation SHOWS as being King SOLOMON wrote Proverbs
(Proverbs 1:1 The proverbs of Solomon the son of David, king of Israel;)
about a THOUSAND YEARS BEFORE Jesis was born according to the Christian
view no "son" was yet born! Rather , as in Exodus where Moses says to Pharoah in the name of G-d to let My "firstborn SON Israel free" or Pharoahs son will die ([Exod 4:22] And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the L-RD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:
[Exod 4:23] And I say unto thee, Let my son go, that he may serve me: and if thou refuse to let him go, behold, I will slay thy son, even thy firstborn.)
- The JEWISH PEOPLE are the "son" of G-d (in the metaphoric sense)
*Zechariah 12:10 -And I shall pour upon the House of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a pleasant spirit and they shall look to Me about what was PIERCED and mourn like one mourns over one and be bitter as over a firstborn'
They say it says look to Me Who was pierced.
It says in Hebrew "Hibitu Aylie Et Asher Dakaru"
They shall look to Me about what was pierced.
It does**Not Say** "Hibitu Aylie Et Asher Dakaruni" - to Me, that they pierced Me.
Note it says "AS" over a firstborn and "AS" over one- meaning the subject is COMPARABLE to a firstborn and to an Individual- but is NOT
literally a firstborn or an individual.
If it was refering to "gods firstborn son" it would NOT have said "as" but
that they would mourn OVER the firsborn
Rashi says that at the end of days, at the end of the Exile of Israel,the house of David and jerusalem shall mourn over the millions of JEWS that were KILLED
during their long exile and mourn greatly as one would over an individual or firstborn.
*Psalms 22:17 is cited by missionaries as refering to jesus. "for dogs have surrounded me, a pack of evildoers enclosed me, like a lions prey are my hands and feet". Firstly this Psalm in verse 5 says "in you have trusted OUR FATHERS". If jesus is the son of god HE DID NOT HAVE "FATHERS" and allegedly he was talking to HIS FATHER so who did he mean when he said "our fathers" to his own alleged 'father'.Judaism says this means the forebearers of the jewish people . That the idea of being surrounded and overcome is refering to the frequent POGROMS in Jewish history, with the narrator being the Jewish people in exile.From the Black plague riots to blood libel riots and more.lets not forget also the Arab riots in Hebron in 1929 and in Jerusalem in the 1930's.
*Jermiah 31:30 is often cited
"Behold days are coming when I shall establish
a NEW covenant with the House of Israel.."
That that is the New testament and the whole Torah
need not be any more observed
of course already in Jeremiah 31:32 it explains
that now the Torah in the end of days will be inscribed on the hearts and minds of the people
and no more will people need to ask what is the way of the L-rd.
They say from Isaiah 53 it seems to be talking of
jesis when it talks of one "Servant of G-d" who suffered and was pierced and reviled but
in Isaiah 53:10 it says "...he will see SEED
and LONG DAYS and his hands shall succeed.."
Jesis HAD ****NO SEED**** and ***DIED AT A YOUNG AGE** and his hands did not succeed but were NAILED.
And in Isaiah 44 Isaiah refers to Jacob as "My Servant" and in Isaiah 45 again Isaiah refers to
the Jewish people (Jacob) as "My servant".
That the Jewish people have/are been despised and persecuted and killed (pierced) and were killed as if they were criminals or similar to the rich that are killed by the tyrants for their wealth.
(often especially during Crusades, pogroms, blood libel riots, and in the Holocaust)
In Psalms 94 it says somewhat SIMILARLY
but openly refering to the Jews
4: How long shall they utter and speak hard things? and all the workers of iniquity boast themselves?
5: They break in pieces ***thy people***, O L-RD, and afflict thine heritage.
6: They slay the widow and the stranger, and murder the fatherless.
14: For the L-RD will ***not cast off his people, neither will he forsake his inheritance***
But in the end of days , when the AUTHENTIC messiah comes "the haughty shall be thrown to the ground and the low shall be raised upto the heights"
From Isaiah 54: 12 and 13 it continues to talk about the subject,about the JEWISH PEOPLE, Israel, Servant of G-d
12: And I will make thy windows of agates, and thy gates of carbuncles, and all thy borders of pleasant stones.
13: And all thy children shall be taught of the LORD; and great shall be the peace of thy children
The Rabbis say this refers to Israel as in the Jewish peoples long suffering in exile
**Genesis (Breishit) Chapter 18 1: And the LORD appeared unto him (Abraham)in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;
2: And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, *three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,
3: And said, *My Lord, if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant:
4: Let a little water, I pray you, be fetched, and wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree:
5: And I will fetch a morsel of bread, and comfort ye your hearts; after that ye shall pass on: for therefore are ye come to your servant. And they said, So do, as thou hast said.
From here some may point out it says "the L-rd appeared to him" and it says he saw "*3 Men*" and he then said "My L-rd". SO they would say we see there is a trinity. OF course, as all the other 'proofs' that "3 is equal to 1", this is blown out of the water by looking at the rest of the verses.
....16: And the men rose up from thence, and looked toward Sodom: and Abraham went with them to bring them on the way. ...
22: And the men turned their faces from thence, and went toward Sodom: but Abraham stood yet before the LORD.
So we see these 3 "men" were NOT "the L-rd".
Rashi explains it was after Abraham had his circumcision and the L-rd appeared to Him to comfort him. Then 3 angels in the guise of men appeared to him. One was to tell of the news that Sarah will have a son in a year, another to heal Abraham and save Lot, and the third to destroy Soddom. Rashi says they appeared in the guise of men to cheer up Abraham who enjoyed hosting wanderers and offering them food. So he offered
a "morsel of bread" and then rushed to get a calf, butter and milk and told his wife to prepare pastries to serve their guests.
When he said "My L-rd, please do not leave" according to one view he was addressing the leader of the group of 3 respectfully on their behalf or according to another view he was addressing the L-rd who appeared to him to comfort him not to 'leave him' as he took care of his "guests".
A secret to reacting to any "proofs" is to look carefully at the whole array of verses before and after, as was done here, and then you should see the 'proof' evaporate when you see the true meaning.
*And FINALLY from Psalms 82 CONCLUSIVE PROOF
that G-d can NOT die (or so called "son of god")
82:5 They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all
the foundations of the earth are out of course.
82:6 I have said, Ye {are} gods; and all of you {are} children of the most
High.
82:7 However ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes - In other words G-d (or so-called
children of the most high) can NOT DIE like man.
*Some say 'Elohim' is plural and refers to G-d but it also says "In the begining Elohim Barah the Heavens and the earth'.
Barah is ***singular for Created.
Elohim is used in Scriptures to refer to *Judges as well and at the song Moses led the people in when they crossed the Red Sea it says "Mi Kamocha B'aylim Hashem" - Who is like You among the Elim, G-d.
It means *Mighty, Powerful. "Who is like You amongst the Mighty"
Elohim meaning ALmighty when refering to G-d or
the Judge of all
And by Judges it denotes - mighty as in powerful.
Often in biblical Hebrew denoting a respectful title plural is used.
As in genesis by Josephs master when he was a slave it refered to Josephs 'masters' (adonai yoseph as opposed to adon yoseph) in a plural form. We see somehat similarly differences in single/plural in English, fish and sheep can be many fish/sheep or one fish/sheep.
*In Genisis it says at Creation G-d said "Let US" create man in our image, implying a plurality.
Rabbinic literature points out that by the actual creation it says "BARAH" which is Singular for Created. If "Let US" was to be taken literally refering to the creation it should have similarly said "BAROO" which is plural for created.
RAshi cites the rabbinic literature that says angels were already created at that time and in G-ds humbleness HE said "Let US" even though HE Himself alone was to create man. I read a contemporary rabbi wrote that unlike by other beings that are already pretty much ready to be on their own almost right freom birth, man when born is completely helpless and needs feeding and full taking care of and raising. So G-d said to Humankind "Let US make man" for we are all partners in a sense in the making of man, the parents and G-d. Separately I read the first 5 of the commandments deal with man and G-d while the latter 5 commandments deal with mans relationship with fellow man. But the 5th one is Honor your parents. Answer being parents are *partners with G-d in the making of man and honoring them is in the section therefor of our relationship with G-d.
Rabbi Moshe ben Nachman of 13th century Spain wrote G-d gave the Earth the ability to spawn a humane body and G-d then put "G-dliness" in him, such as the ability to choose good over bad and not just follow natural instincts and cravings.
To be spiritual. So G-d said to the Earth "Let us make man" and the Earth spawned the body and G-d put "G-dliness" in him.
*Deutronomy (Devarim) Chapter 30 1-5
And it shall come to pass, when all these things are come upon thee, the blessing and the curse, which I have set before thee, and thou shalt call them to mind among all the nations, whither the L-L-RD thy G-d hath driven thee,
And shalt return unto the L-RD thy G-d, and shalt obey his voice *****according to all that I command thee this day****, thou and thy children, with all thine heart, and with all thy soul;
That then the L-RD thy G-d will turn thy captivity, and have compassion upon thee, and will ****return and gather thee from all the nations, whither the L-RD thy G-d hath scattered thee****.
If any of thine be driven out unto the outmost parts of heaven, from thence will the L-RD thy G-d gather thee, and from thence will he fetch thee:
And the L-RD thy G-d will bring thee into ****the land which thy fathers possessed****, and thou shalt possess it; and he will do thee good, and multiply thee above thy fathers.
Here it is obviously talking of the JEWISH PEOPLE who were scattered from their land and will be returned to the Land of THeir Fathers.
And it says ", and shalt obey his voice according to all that I command thee this day".
So unlike what Christianity says the Law as of Moses days are to be kept and valid till the end of days. (kosher,Yom Kippur,Passover,etc)
*Some missionary even said "but it's in the bible and the bible is true".
Both Christianity and ISlam accept the 'Old Testament" (Books of Moses and the Prophets) are authentic. THat G-d gave the Law tro the Jewish nation at Mount Sinai. It is therefore intellectually incumbent on each to PROVE beyond a doubt that now that LAw that was given before Millions (a whole nation) is NO LONGER BINDING as is the Entire Law of the Books of MOses.
THat CAN NOT BE DONE as we've seen in the Torah itself it says NOT TO DO LESS OR MORE THAN WHAT THE TORAH DEMANDS.(see in "Straght to the Point")
And furthrmore the time period from the end of the "Old TEstament" ends during the era of Persian dominance in the known world (Book of Esther) and the New TEstament, which is heresy, starts during Roman rule of JUdea, which is many hundreds of years and major events later.
The era of Greek rule and ther splitting of the Greek empire between the Seleucids and Ptolemy's and then the HAnnuka story and Hasmonean rule and then ROman rule happened before the fairt tale of the "New TEstament" starts. It is an "imposter" appended by a cult onto the True Scriptures.
(thats JUdaism's point of view)
They go on of his pain "that he suffered for us".
FIRSTLY, ONLY ANIMALS were used in Temple offerings as proscribed in Scriptures. Human sacrifice is Murder and forbidden and indeed pagan in origin.
Furthermore, Torture is Forbidden EVEN in these animal sacrifices and Certainly by Humanes, even those sentenced to capital punishment.
He was crucified by the Romans.
It should be noted thousands of people all over the world, including actually hundreds of Jews, were also crucified by the Romans.
(*****SEE THE BOTTOM LINK ON A JEWISH READING OF ISAIAH 52-53******)